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Discussion in 'Loss of Spouse' started by Marcey, Oct 21, 2021.

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  1. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Robin.

    You're message has me smiling... I love the sweet picture!!! I wish I could give Teddy a big hug!!! I'm sorry about the nor'easter, but glad that Teddy is home with you and doing so well.

    Thank you for sharing good news with us.

    As always, sending you hugs, Teddy too, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  2. cjpines

    cjpines Well-Known Member

    So very happy and relieved for you. We love our little family pets, can't live without them. K
     
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  3. Marcey

    Marcey Guest

    Robin,

    I'm so glad to hear that Teddy is doing well! I almost messaged you 3 different times yesterday, wondering how it all went (but talked myself into leaving you alone, instead).
    Is Teddy a Doxie?! I LOVE Dachshunds!
    Keep resting and healing and staying warm! Thank you for letting us know!
     
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  4. Marcey

    Marcey Guest

    Lou, I'm so jealous of your stormy coastal weather!

    You've gotten to see some very interesting actors - and Robert Logia is wonderful. Love him. Al Franken is an idiot. He didn't deserve your attention. I'm sorry he was rude to you.

    I used to love BIG. It is a good movie. But after really thinking about it a few years back....it's kind of cringey to me now. He was 11 0r 12, right? Sooo..... No. Just no. But, Robert Logia was wonderful in it! And in every film I ever saw him in.

    I could respond more but my mom is insisting on pulling weeds right now, so I am going to help her.

    TTFN!
     
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  5. RLC

    RLC Well-Known Member

    Awe, thank you Deb, I feel such relief that the surgery is over, he slept a lot today, he’s getting back to being himself. I’m glad you liked the picture, he means the world to me. He’d love a nice hug. He’s such a mush.
    The nor’easter is just slamming us with so much rain snd wind. We got 6” and my basement is getting pretty wet. Hope it ends soon.
    Thank you again. ❤️ Robin
     
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  6. RLC

    RLC Well-Known Member

    Thank you for caring so much. Yesterday was rough on me but ended well. And yes Teddy is a dachshund!! My daughter just got a dachshund puppy. They’re getting along pretty good. But keeping the puppy away while Teddy heals. His incision is so hard to look at. But it’s less red today, he’s on an anti inflammatory to help with that. Need this storm to end, pouring since Monday night and still coming down.
    So sweet of you to care so much about my little guy. Robin
     
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  7. RLC

    RLC Well-Known Member

    Thank you!! We do love and need our fur family. No judgement ever just love. Thankful he’s through the rough part, and onto the healing. I think he’s sleeping too much during the day, he didn’t sleep well last night and he’s not resting tonight. I have a camera on him so I can be sure he’s ok. He’s not crying at least. Thanks again, Robin
     
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  8. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Robin, I'm still praying for your little
    Teddy, and for you. Did you lose power?The lights went out here at 12:11 am &
    are STILL not back on at 6:35 am. I contacted National Grid, but they arep
    already aware of the outage. Thank
    God for my smart phone, so I was able
    to call them, & reach out to Marcey, who's
    been having trouble sleeping. I couldn't
    sleep at my usual 9:30 to 10pm,& sat at
    my table, having snacks, "talking" with
    Marcey. I had also written a long "book"
    about my long, harrowing homelessness
    with Linda. It just poured out of me.
    It was triggered by her own sad memories
    with Bob. Well, this turned out to be a
    hell of a storm. I think you & I may be the
    only ones affected here. I tossed & turned
    bc of the non stop howling winds. I can
    hear the constant churning of an angry
    sea, bc my apartment is around the
    corner from the beach, There is an eerie
    darkness everywhere, bc the street lights
    are out. I hope to feel better at daylight.
    But. a nap will be required. I need my
    regular sleep bc of my manic depression.
    I pray the blackout situation will be
    fixed soon. In the meantime, I'm thankful
    to you & TGW, and to Linda, who was
    smart enough to buy a battery powered
    lantern in case the lights went out. She
    was more practical than I was, and she
    believed in the Boy Scout's motto : " Be
    prepared". She saved me many times. &
    I miss her, some days more intently than
    others. I shared a story with Deb about
    the early years of our marriage, when
    the electricity in our town went down
    in an April Fools Day snowstorm. The
    worst part was that we couldn't make
    coffee. The same thing happened this
    morning. It happened to Deb's family
    way back when. I just had OJ, but it kkkkk
    wasn't as cold as it should be. I'll try not
    to open the refrigerator door too often.
    Now, I'll check the headlines on my
    phone, which is my link to the outside
    world. I never thought I would say,
    Thank God for the Internet! Now, I'll
    check in with Wake Up America, on my
    Newsmax app to see how New York is
    doing with their state of emergency.
    My college classmate emailed me that
    New Jersey is also under a state of emergency, and he's worried about tall
    trees falling on his street. Hope you &
    Teddy are OK. "Talk later". Lou
     
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  9. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Robin,

    In a rush, but can't leave without telling you I'm thinking about you and Teddy today. I think I read on another thread that you lost your power, on top of your basement already being flooded. I hope your power returns ASAP!!! You and Teddy, along with all the other GIC warriors, are always in my prayers...

    Sending lots of extra hugs to you and Teddy, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  10. RLC

    RLC Well-Known Member

    Good Morning Lou,
    Thank you for all your prayers for Teddy. He’s being strong but lots of licking that I’m having trouble controlling unless I sit with him constantly. I ordered him a “thing” not sure what it’s called but a sleeve up his leg and then wrap around his chest. Supposed to arrive Thursday. I’m hoping sooner. Kind of need it.
    I am so sorry you lost power, I was lucky and mine stayed on. It expected it would go out. I didn’t know this storm was going to be so big and harsh. It was worse then a lot of hurricanes. My pool cover is full with rain water. I just walked around my property and everything looks ok thankfully. My basement got pretty wet, I have a dehumidifier running constantly and I’ll use Ron’s shop vac if needed. He’d be beside himself if he knew I was doing such things. In fact he didn’t want me to go in the basement because of my arthritis I’m not real steady on my feet and he worried I’d fall. I’m down there often now using his tools. I tell him I’m sorry as I walk down the stairs. I digress. I know the eerie darkness you speak of, I get very anxious when we have storms like this. If anything should happen it’s all on me. Ron took care of everything. I also have huge trees lining my street that I worry about. It’s funny because way back when we bought this house as a young naive 23 yr old, I always wanted to live on this street because of how the huge maples lined the road and looked so beautiful. As we grow older and wiser we realize those trees could be hazardous. They’ve taken out my electric fallen close to our cars etc. but the house has been unscathed so far. Don’t want to jinx it, so moving away from that subject. You mention being so thankful for the internet, I’m right there with you. I’m on here a LOT. It keeps me company, keeps my mind busy. I often wonder how did my Mom make it through each day when my dad passed in 1994, without the internet. I pray your electricity is back on by now but I worry it’s not. Thankful it’s not terribly cold. I have 57 right now and so windy. Wish I could bring you a cup of coffee to help you start your day. Coffee is a big part of starting our day off right. I can just taste your oj not being up to par. Right now I have guilt I have power and maybe made some coffee. Lol! You mention a power outage years ago on April Fools day, my daughters birthday is April Fools day and Teddy was born on that day too. I totally understand your need for regular sleep to help maintain your health and depression. We all need sleep as we go through our grief too. And I need it to help with RA. Sleep can be difficult for sure.
    I love your story about Judd Nelson, sounds like an awesome regular guy. I thought he grew up in the tri state area, you educated me on that. I ran into Michael J Fox and his wife Tracy Pollan in the local King Kullen maybe 10 years ago. He didn’t look good at all, I can even tell you it was down the chips aisle. Everyone respected their privacy and gave them space. Especially since he really didn’t look well. And he was kind of wearing Marceys hair style of a couple days ago, Christopher Lloyd and Uncle Fester, lol! Not laughing at him, he’s not well but her description is fitting. I’ve worn that look myself. Anyway, I did say hello and welcome them to our small town and others said hello, no real conversations. We had John Rowland a news anchor from NY came in our upholstery shop and he spent time chatting with us. Lou I don’t know where you grew up but are you familiar with Sandy Becker? He had a children’s show in the tri state area, Ron watched his show every day and he came in our shop and Ron became a child again. We did work for him and he took Ron in their home and showed him all the puppets from his tv show. Anyway I’m just sharing a few encounters in case you’re interested.
    You mention Linda’s passing right before Thanksgiving in 2018, that’s when Ron passed also. In fact Thanksgiving happened before we had his funeral. Ron passed
    Nov 17, 2018. It’s all a blur, but all my family came over and cooked the dinner that Ron and I had purchased the day before he passed. Ok enough of that, bringing the tears. Thanksgiving used to be such a special time for us and we always hosted. I wanted to continue and my brother was always with us on thanksgiving and I asked if he would please continue that tradition he said of coarse but then made other plans the next year. All holidays are hard now as you all know. We both were going through the worst time in our lives at almost the same time. I don’t know when Linda passed but similar date.
    I’m jealous of everyone on here being able to read books. I struggle with it still to this day. I read but it doesn’t stick. Hopefully one day soon that will change. My daughter reads all the time. And keeps hoping I can soon. I can read articles, short things but books I’m not there yet.
    Ok I went on way too long. Sorry about that. I’ve been off of here a few days between anxiety over Ted, not sleeping, caring for Teddy etc I just wasn’t feeling up to it. I’m not on here as much as I used to be, but I do check in each day. I pray you have power back. .
    Oh, one more thing. Addams Family, the producer or director not sure which, took the car from the show to my dads shop. He owned a bus company and a mechanic shop. I didn’t get to see it but my dad worked on it! Fun memories.
    Again sorry for the length and thank you for your prayers. Praying you get electric back soon if not already.
    Robin
     
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  11. RLC

    RLC Well-Known Member

    No I was lucky and kept my power but it’s been quite a storm. But yes my basement is a bit flooded. Hoping my dehumidifier is enough to dry it out.
    Teddy is acting like Teddy for the most part. I'm trying to keep him from licking the area. Not easy. He didn’t sleep much again last night, I think the storm bothered him. I think the worst of it has passed, mainly windy today. Poor Lou lost his power though.
    I’m hoping to make pumpkin cookies today. Made them every year for Ron and I’m trying to keep those traditions. It helps things feel normal even though the person I made them for isn’t here they’re still for Ron. I always loved cooking and baking, I struggle with that now. Because he loved my cooking, so it’s hard.
    Have a good day! Robin.
     
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  12. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    You never have to apologize for a long
    post, or reply, Robin. Deb & I are the
    reigning champs for our "books", so
    welcome aboard! You are an interesting
    woman and you & Ron led an interesting,
    loving life together. As Deb would say,
    " Total understatement!!!".Glad you enjoyed my memorable encounter with
    Judd Nelson.Never heard of Sandy Becker.
    I grew up with Big Brother ( scary name
    after 1984 book!) Bob Emery. At the
    beginning of every show, children including me, would raise our glasses of
    milk to the American flag and give a toast
    to a picture of President Eisenhower!!
    How times have changed, and not for the
    better. Your description of Michael J. Fox
    was heartbreaking. I saw him still acting
    even after his debilitating illness. He is
    fortunate to have such a loving & strong
    marriage. Thank you for asking about
    my loss of power. I hate that you have to
    go down the basement alone. Please be
    careful, Robin, & always bring your phone
    with you. I texted National Grid this am,
    and they estimated power will be restored
    around 12:15 pm today, after 12 hours.
    I am grateful that Linda's lantern gave me
    hope last night. As I told others here, I felt
    her spirit in the light of her lantern, &
    that she was telling me everything
    would be OK. Thanks to my smart phone,
    with a portable charger, I was able to
    "talk" with Marcey after midnight, and then, Deb, you & others. The time went by
    mercifully quicker, & if all goes as
    promised, it will feel normal again in a half hour. I will continue to pray for you
    & Teddy. BTW, Linda died on Monday
    afternoon, Nov 19, 2018. I had no family
    or friebds , so I took a cab to the ER, the
    night before Thanksgiving. The staff of
    nurses kindly contacted a small psychiatric unit, where I stayed 5 nights
    voluntarily, for extreme bereavement,
    suicidal ideations, lack of sleep, and
    hopeless loneliness.Thank God I knew
    enough to seek help. When I emerged
    from my room in the unit Thanksgiving
    morning, I was joined by 8 other clients,
    with manic depression, like me, other
    mental illness, including depression, and
    alcohol & drug addiction. When we sat
    around a long table, & a counselor
    carved a turkey, I felt like this was my
    family & I didn't feel so alone. This year,
    I've been invited by a family for
    Thanksgiving, and I'm going, unlike past
    years. We can be strong together, &
    send messages up to and including the
    sad anniversaries of our soulmates'
    deaths. God Bless. Lou
     
  13. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Marcey, just saw your second thought
    about the movie, Big, & I laughed &
    agreed with you. The best parts for
    Linda & me was when Robert Loggia
    dismissed the tiresome ideas of long winded sycophant salesman, played by
    an excellent John Heard, in favor of
    young Tom's imaginative, playful ideas.
    We also liked it when Loggia told
    Elizabeth Perkins, former girlfriend of
    John Heard's character, not to bother
    him about business at a party. Lou
     
  14. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Robin,

    Although I'm sorry your basement is flooded, I'm so glad you didn't lose power too!! I love hearing that Teddy is mostly acting like himself today. I totally "get" how hard it is to try to keep furry loved ones from not licking incisions. I HATE!!! those "cones," but there have been times when I had to use them. My very favorite fur baby, the one I've "talked" about here, found a creative way to lick an incision even while wearing a "cone." She found out that if she hit the edge of it hard enough against the floor, she could get her head out from inside of it. (Not sure if this makes sense, I don't know how to explain this.) Her vet was amazed by not only how determined she was, but also by how smart she was. Long story short, I had to bring my fur baby back to her vet, who fitted her with the very largest sized cone. She sort of reminded me of Pinocchio... The poor thing, the cone was so long that she could barely take a step without bumping into things. She looked so sad... those big brown eyes staring at me, as if asking me why I was torturing her this way. She was extremely spoiled, TU!!!, way before she was forced to wear this absolutely huge "cone," but while she was wearing it, she got everything her heart could ever desire, except for the removal of the "cone." When she was a puppy, she could back out of all her collars. I bought her a harness, but once she was a bit older, and learned to walk by my side without pulling, I bought her regular collars again. Even if she was off leash, she would stay close to me. Stopping here before I write a book about my very favorite fur baby. It's been over six years since she crossed over the rainbow bridge, but I still miss her with all my heart...

    I love that you're making pumpkin cookies, continuing traditions... that by keeping up traditions, things feel more "normal," although they never really will be normal again. Although you're struggling with doing things you love, I think it's such a huge step forward that you're cooking and baking again. It gives me hope that someday I'll be able to spend time by the ocean, listen to music, look at pictures, eat certain foods, go to favorite restaurants, etc. etc., etc.,... again. I can't even visit "home..." I'm still way too "broken," my emotional state way too fragile, to be able to handle all the memories, even though I miss "home" so much. I'm starting to get off topic, so stopping here. Backing way up, I love everything and anything pumpkin, TU!!!

    I love reading your messages because they give me so much hope for the future. Without hope, healing would be impossible. I don't know if you signed up to get the daily reflections from The Center For Loss, but if you get them, one of my favorite daily reflections was about how important hope is. It was a recent one, within the last week. Since Bob's death, I'm always losing track of time.

    Sending you and Teddy hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  15. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Deb, my power was out from midnight
    to estimated midnight, tonight. The
    National Grid kept changing the time.
    I thought I'd be safe at 4. Kim took
    me grocery shopping..... I feel almost
    guilty breaking a promise to Kim not
    to tell anyone, but I think I'm OK on this
    site. She set me up for the night upstairs
    from the Tea Room, for the night. It's
    her parents' apartment, but they just
    went to Florida for the winter. As you
    could see from the picture of the
    elegant Tea Room, I'm in heaven: warm
    bed, large fridge, electricity ( so I can
    finally charge my phone, which wet
    to ZERO. It was a good cause , bc Marcey,
    & later, other TGW kept me sane. I had
    to tell my neighbors, N, who uses a
    soldier's oath of secrecy, and Steven &
    Betsy who escaped the storm bc they
    are up on precipice retreat ! I'll keep
    you posted, Deb, after I get settled
    tonight. Laughed at cone story. We
    never had to do that, but I've seen the
    cones! Lou
     
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  16. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Lou,

    I'm so glad to hear from you, TU!!! I was beginning to worry about you, knowing how much damage the storm caused. You did it again, you made me smile, knowing that you are in "heaven," have electricity, heat, a fridge, etc., etc., etc. I love Kim, and I've never met her!!! I'm glad you have some very special friends who are always there for you. Thank you for letting me know you're okay!!!

    I can only begin to imagine how totally toasted (sorry, the word just seemed to type itself again, I'm so used to saying it, another TU) you are, so please don't feel like you need to "talk" to me later on. Just take care of yourself the best you possibly can, enjoy your overnight stay to the max!!! And get a good night's sleep!!!

    I'll be around most of the day tomorrow. We're supposed to have lots of rain, thunderstorms and a very slight chance of tornadoes, but nothing compared to what you went through. It's supposed to be very cold in the morning, I wish I didn't give away all my Cuddle Duds before I moved, don't know what I was thinking, but I might try to get at least a short walk in.

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  17. DEB321

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    P.S. I felt so badly for my poor fur baby... She was so forgiving though. She loved me the same as always even though I think in her mind, I was the one torturing her. I'll never forget that look in her eyes, her expression made me so sad at the time. Now thinking back, it makes me smile!!! As far as I'm concerned, she was just a "furry" person with the best personality ever!!! Stopping here, before I keep right on going like that Energizer Bunny. Sleep well...
     
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  18. Van Gogh

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    Deb, perfect timing,as always! I haven't
    moved from the basement in the Tea Room! After I put away the perishables,
    I sat at a table, suddenly ravenous. I
    ate a chickpea salad, chicken salad on
    GF rice cakes, turkey slices and
    Poland Springs sparkling water. It's so
    special & spacious down here. I feel
    that Linda is with me. She was never
    down in the basement, but we sat in the
    Tea Room years ago, before Kim. The
    basement is where the scones are made.
    Thanks to Kim, I was able to bring English
    tea, sandwiches, & scones across the
    street to the rehab unit where Linda & I
    could eat together, in her private room.
    I feel terrible about your endless sorrow
    about your wedding anniversary. I will
    tell you what the older widows said to
    me, when I dreaded anniversaries ,both
    happy ones ( wedding) and horribly sad
    ones ( the day of Linda's death). The
    long time widows in the group reminded
    me that it was ONE day, and after that,
    I had to plow through my grief (I think
    Gary would like the tractor analogy). I had
    no one at the time aside from the group
    & my first, hesitant friendships at the
    Shack. I wish I had GIC back then, but
    the good thing is that I have it now. I
    made up the phrase , The Grief Warriors
    bc we will leave no man or woman
    behind. We are here for you 24/7. If I
    don't answer right away, another
    "soldier" will. I learned that from my
    young Army veteran friend, N. Sleep
    well, Deb. Lou
     
  19. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Lou,

    I'm smiling as I'm reading how much you're enjoying your overnight stay. I'm glad that you feel like Linda is with you..., she will always be with you... She is always watching over you, just like Bob, and everyone else's one true love, are watching over them. The more you tell me about Kim, the more I like her. It was so kind of her to let you spend the night at The Tea Room.

    I'm trying to think about what you and Robin say, that the days leading up to an event are usually worse than the event itself. Now I'm going to remember that it's just ONE day too. I'm hoping all the "firsts" are the hardest. I know I'll be okay, but and this is another one of those BIG BUTS!!!, GRIEVING SUCKS BIG TIME!!!

    I am determined to do all the hard work I have to do to heal the best I can. It's just that some days, like I said to Marcey earlier, and to you awhile ago, it's more like one step forwards and two steps backwards. My friends who Bob and I used to vacation with are constantly texting me and have already called me. I know they're worried about me, but I know I'll be okay. The more time that goes by, the more my heart is beginning to accept that Bob is gone... never coming back. Rationally I know he's been gone for over six months, but it's so hard for my heart to accept this. Although I'm so sad, I think I'm making a bit of progress because I know I have to feel all of this heartache or else I'll never heal. I have to truly believe in my heart that Bob is gone or else I'll be "stuck" right where I am now forever.

    I just had a flashback to the end of the summer, beginning of the fall in 2019, Bob was in the hospital, our youngest son flew here to be with us. Bob was very sick, none of his doctors knew what was causing the symptoms he was having. Our son and I were sitting in his hospital room. We thought he was asleep. I started crying. Bob opened his eyes and said to me, "Deb, don't worry, I'm still here, I'm not leaving you." This is the first time I've thought about this in a long time. It's making me cry now, because in my mind, I can "hear" him saying this to me. I'm just a total emotional mess... Going to stop here. I want to take some melatonin and hopefully get some sleep. Thanks for "listening."

    I'm so glad I found this site too, TU!!! I don't know how I would get through this otherwise. No need to respond tonight!!! Get some sleep!!! I'm going to put away my chrome book for the night. Hope you sleep well too...

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  20. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Deb, I know it sounds a little weird, but I
    wish I could "tuck you in bed" tonight
    & tell you that you are a brave woman,
    who's been through hell & will survive &
    even achieve some happiness, as Jonathan
    said, in his most recent email to me. Of
    course, being a little like Gary, a song
    just popped into my head: the over
    played disco one, by Gloria Gaynor,
    "I Will Survive"! All I can think about is
    the funny ending of the movie, In & Out,
    with Kevin Kline. Did you see that, Deb?
    Maybe you could use some distraction
    tomorrow & see a movie like that, a
    comedy. Bob would have wanted you to
    laugh again. I know that Linda would be
    mad at me if I didn't. I'm about to turn
    off the light in my bedroom above &
    behind the Tea Room. It's so quiet &
    peaceful that I want to stay here! But,
    that's my sign, Cancer, the Crab talking.
    I get attached to a home environment &
    don't want to leave. The reality is that
    my apartment is near the ocean, 2 Little
    Birds Eatery, downtown, the Shack, &
    the Neck, whereas the Tea Room is a
    distance away. I usually like my place
    except last night during the scary
    storm. We may get another one on
    Halloween, but I'll wait & see. Steven &
    Betsy's plans are subject to change, bc
    they were planning to head back to
    Pa. on Sun. Good night, Deb. Hope we
    both have peaceful dreams. Lou
     
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