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Stages of Grief: Anger

Discussion in 'Loss of Spouse' started by Marcey, Oct 21, 2021.

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  1. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Gary, woke up in middle of night and saw
    your eloquent piece about your grief and
    suffering, in the woods, without your dear
    Cheryl. I noticed what time you wrote it:
    10:13. That was Linda's birthday. I believe that was a reassuring sign from Linda, as
    Tom Zuba would say. I really needed to see
    a GW ( I thought it would be one of the 3
    women on the West Coast). I woke up from
    a dream that Linda & I were embracing,
    while standing. When Linda was sitting
    too long, we would look at each other,
    and say, " time for a stand up hug!". I woke
    up,on my back ( which was unusual, bc I
    always sleep on my side , usually my left,
    bc I read that's the healthiest position for
    one's back). I was hugging myself, thinking
    it was Linda. I remarked how blue her eyes
    were ( mine are brown). When I realized it
    was a dream, I cried, and said aloud, "why
    didn't we hug more?". There was a recent
    Center for Loss quote, which explored
    guilt and regret, over things not done,
    with one's spouse. But, the message was,
    since we can't hug our soulmates anymore,
    we know that we can, and should, hug
    others. Lou
     
  2. Countess Joy

    Countess Joy Well-Known Member

    Hi, Lou, I ate ok, home made butternut squash and mushroom barley risotto.
    But perhaps that was a typo and you hoped we Are ok? ;) lol, teasing.
    The answer to that is yes, well mostly.

    It was one month on the 2nd. Seems like yesterday. And yet forever looms.
    I’m lacking motivation, ‘maybe tomorrow’ seems to be my mantra.
    I know I’m strong enough to hold all of these emotions; to feel them, to let them ebb and flow and not get stuck in my bones and still the tiredness is real.

    I had a quiet new moon day today though. December, winter, rain in the pacific northwest. Imagining the garden for the new year…. and yet I haven’t stepped out there much. The garden fairies are wondering where I’ve gotten to I’m sure.
    Maybe tomorrow. ~B
     
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  3. Countess Joy

    Countess Joy Well-Known Member

    Hello, Tom
    I’m Bernadine, my partner of over 20 years, Kenn, just died on November 2nd so I’m new around here. I’m following everyone’s posts, just been quiet the last few days. ~B
     
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  4. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Bernadine, where, oh, where is Tom?
    I reached out to him recently to a post, in
    which he mentioned Deb and myself. His user name is "tgotyall". He kindly gave his
    name, Tom, and that of his wife, Gina. I told him I'm the oldest of 3 "brothers" on
    GIC: Gary, middle brother. and George,
    youngest. Gary welcomed him and said
    we could be The Fantastic Four! Hope I
    didn't scare him away. Fact is that I've been
    on GIC since the end of July, whereas Tom
    has been on this site for at least a year. Lou
     
  5. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Bernadine, you are sharp AND funny,
    like Karen. You are right. It WAS a typo.
    Although I do like to hear what other GW
    are eating --- hopefully healthy foods to get
    us through Christmas and New Year's. I also like to hear that we mourners are
    getting our sleep and exercise. This is
    essential in the flu and pneumonia season,
    never mind COVID!! I know that Linda
    wanted me to be healthy, bc we went to the
    same nurse practioner, together. I still go
    to her now. Turned out I have anemia, so
    I take a Nature Made Multi complete
    vitamins, including iron. I also take Vitamin D, bc our summers are so short &
    we don't get as much sun, as states down
    South. Sounds like you have a lot of rain
    in Oregon, so you have that problem, too.
    After Linda died suddenly 3 years ago, I
    didn't care if I lived or died, but now I do.
    I think everyone on GIC does, too, and I'm
    glad to see that. Lou
     
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  6. eyepilot13

    eyepilot13 Well-Known Member

    Just had a night of the most exhausting intense and disturbing dreams yet. Yes they all involve Valerie. I can't say anything except I'm here. Dialysis. Kept getting leg cramps all night too...
     
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  7. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Hey, Tom! It's been a few days since we
    last heard from you. Not sure if you saw
    everybody reaching out to you! I had said
    that I'm the oldest of 3 "brothers" here:
    Gary, "middle brother"", and George,
    youngest. Gary suggested you join us and
    we could be The Fabulous Four! We live in
    different time zones: Gary in Indiana,
    George. in Illinois, and myself, on the
    northern coast of Massachusetts. Where
    do you live? We are the only widowers
    right now. We have a solid group of 5
    widows, with whom I feel close, even though I joined Grief in Common (GIC)
    end of July. Hope we can see you soon. Lou
     
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  8. eyepilot13

    eyepilot13 Well-Known Member

    Sorry to hear you are not feeling well. It's going o be a week here at the new place. My daysare ok enough. productiveso I can't think. Walking everyday now and eating good food. But the nights! Every night I have the most disturbing exhausting anf painful dreams. It's like MG is catching up with me at night. I hope you fel better soon!
     
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  9. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    So sorry about those very sad dreams about Valerie. I had a dream about Linda,
    in the middle of the night today, and woke
    up crying. As I wrote earlier. I ended up
    sleeping on my back, ( usually sleep on my
    left side, facing the wall). and I was
    hugging myself. My dream, which was so
    vivid, is that Linda & I were laughing &
    facing each other and said it was time for
    a "stand up " hug. I had a pang of guilt &
    regret that I didn"t hug her more. But. a
    recent Center for Loss quote said that
    though Linda & I can't hug again, I know
    the value of hugging ( whoever that may
    be). Lou
     
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  10. eyepilot13

    eyepilot13 Well-Known Member

    I just can't articulate the exhausting and disturbing nature of these dreams. I seem better (or more active) during the day but at night MG catches up with me. All these dreams are exhausting and painful. ... I wish I could describe them... thanks for being there Lou.
     
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  11. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    George, my "foggy widower's brain" is
    playing tricks on me, as Deb would say.
    What is MG? I feel that if Mr. Grief doesn't
    bother us in the daytime when we're
    busy, he sure kicks our ass in our dreams.
    All I can tell you, George, is that after 3
    years, I don't have nearly as many dreams,
    or sob the way I used to. Lou
     
  12. Gary166

    Gary166 Guest

    Lou thanks for sharing your dream with Linda. that was a beautiful dream. I think Tom is TLWGW (the lone wolf grief warrior). Like me spending a lot of time alone in the woods Tom feels safe in the same manner. I had a therapist ask me are you an introvert or an extrovert? I said I’m an introvert that’s bad right? She said no that’s not bad. an introvert gets their energy by being alone and extroverts get their energy from other people. Tom’s three brother wolves will readily accept him into the pack whenever he’s ready along with our sister wolves. I have decided to take a couple days off from hunting and get caught up on chores and rest. Robin thanks for sharing how much stronger you are having your son and daughter with you. and how much progress you’ve made in your grief journey. Bernadine your garden fairies are hoping you’ll enter the garden from the west side facing the sunrise on December 21. They will rejoice when the new light kisses your face because they will be borne again. George you and Deb are fighting the good fight. You both are moving forward in difficult times. It’s easy to stay positive when things are going good. You are putting one foot in front of the other and keep on Truckin. Seize the day TGW. Gary
     
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  13. eyepilot13

    eyepilot13 Well-Known Member

    MG is Mister Grief... I need a cheat sheet to keep up with everything... I still don't remember what TU is. I'm trying...
     
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  14. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    George., I should've known MG! Duh! But,
    I CAN help you with TU. That is Deb's
    abbreviation for one of her funnier
    expressions: "total understatement!!!".
    Deb & Gary are much better at using
    abbreviations than I am. Although I
    came up with The Grief Warriors, they
    have expanded it. I think they call you
    the "ultimate" GW, but I forget the initials!
    Lou
     
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  15. eyepilot13

    eyepilot13 Well-Known Member

    Trying to journal all my insane heavy dreams. I am so sore and exhausted. Like I said I need a cheat sheet for the GWs and abbrevs. I need to stop my brain thinking about what could happen or what I should do. I need to remember to be kind. I feel so crappy emotionally and physically this morning. Thanks for being there big Bro!
     
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  16. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Gary: Linda & I took the Myers-Briggs test
    to discover if we were introverts or
    extroverts. At that time, in 1996, when we
    got married, Linda was an extrovert and
    I was an introvert. My ideal job, according
    to the test. was a solo job as a forest
    ranger! Over time, those labels did not
    compute. Both of us were on the cusp.
    When Linda became ill, in the hospital,
    and then, the rehab unit of a nursing
    home, she was withdrawn, and had only
    one friend, her favorite nurse, about her
    age of 68. As I had to take on the duties of
    talking with people ( doctors, health
    insurance agents), both face to face, and on
    the phone, I became a "people person", as
    my grief therapist later called me, several
    months after Linda died. Of course I was
    drinking then, which made it easier to
    cultivate friendships at the Shack, and
    also to meet tourists from all over the U.S.
    and the world. A year after Linda died, I
    stopped drinking, at the advice of my
    grief therapist. She pointed out that the
    drinking made me MORE depressed. I can't
    call myself an extrovert, bc I still like my
    time alone, whether out in nature, or in the
    quiet of my apartment. I like the freedom to come & go. I like your description of Tom, in relation to our "pack". We will have to wait & see. I must say that George & I are having trouble keeping up with
    initials, like " TLWGW" ( !!). As you know,
    I came up with The Grief Warriors ( TGW),
    but you & Deb have expanded that concept
    and I'm having trouble keeping up! Lou
     
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  17. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    George, don't feel bad about not keeping
    up with the abbreviations & initials! I'm
    the same way. I just replied to Gary's post,
    & told him I couldn't remember all the
    additions, like Deb & he could! Lou
     
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  18. eyepilot13

    eyepilot13 Well-Known Member

    MG is really f-ing kicking my ass this morning...
     
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  19. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    George, kick him right back. I did this
    morning, and cursed him out. I got
    dressed in my hoodie, sunglasses, and
    braved the cold, but sunny day to go to
    my breakfast spot across from ocean.I'm here, listening to the classic Otis Redding
    song, a sad lonely one, that fits my mood,
    at the moment. Lou
     
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  20. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Patti,

    I hope you're feeling much better and stronger today... I bet JayCee looks so beautiful..., freshly washed, new "haircut," and blown dry... There is nothing better than a freshly washed fur baby... I'm glad that you're doing the best you can to take care of yourself, cooking delicious dinners... I can only handle making myself something that doesn't require use of my micro about half the week. I'm working on this, but it's a struggle. I still can't eat at the kitchen table, even after (almost) eight months.

    I haven't been around much, too difficult right now, having lots of trouble expressing myself in writing, but just wanted to stop by to thank you for that GREAT BIG HUG, I needed it!!!, TU!!!

    As always, sending you and JayCee lots of hugs, love, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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