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Loss after three decade relationship.

Discussion in 'Loss of Spouse' started by oneman, Aug 6, 2021.

  1. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much, Carole, for your reply
    to me this am. I cried when I read your
    kind words and will probably cry again
    with the PT today. Sorry your stomach
    isn't right. Ginger ale and cheese seem to
    help me. I use rice cakes, instead of
    crackers, bc I have Celiac Disease. I emailed Karyn Arnold, the founder of
    our wonderful website, and told her I'm
    spreading the word here ( especially
    with you & Deb) about Center for Loss.
    Karyn was pleased, bc it's a great resource.

    I told her I was feeling down, bc she asked
    if there was anything she could help me
    with. Lou
     
  2. MSgtKel5J071

    MSgtKel5J071 Member

    I feel for you oneman...
    My Mom passed away about a year and a half ago. My Mom and Dad were married for 55 years. My Dad is doing OK considering, but I've seen the toll it has taken on him.

    In addition, I've been married and widowed twice.

    Believe me, I understand coming home to a quiet house with no wife, no activity of marriage, no one to talk to, no special person to do things with, and the pain and anger of trying to understand why it happened. I also understand the sleepless nights trying to make sense of it all and trying to figure out "what now?"

    I thought it would be easier this time around since I'd already been through it once and "knew the drill." It hasn't been easier. It's been worse -- A LOT worse.

    The only thing that keeps me going is the thought of my late wives and what they would want for me. Yeah, I know -- SO cliché -- but I truly believe your wife would want you to go on living and be happy. I also truly believe that she would understand how you feel and she wouldn't blame you for a second when you're sad, angry, lonely, etc.

    She would understand that you need time to heal and go through the grieving process, but at the end of the day she would want you to make it through. You don't ever get over a loss like this, but YOU CAN get through it and come out the other side happy and stronger.

    My thoughts and prayers are with you.
     
  3. Hewasmysunshine

    Hewasmysunshine Active Member

    Good Afternoon Lou. How did PT go? I am feeling better. I have ginger ale (Vernor's),cheese, saltines. My Granny thought hot tea and crackers was the cure all to any illness(colds, fever, upset stomach) I had to look up Celiac Disease, had no idea what it was. You really have to be careful what you eat, no gluten, so many food items have gluten.

    I looked up Center for Loss, poked around on the website, didn't sign up though. I might do it later.

    I think I will have some soup, maybe I will keep it down. Talk again soon, Carole. P.S. I will answer your long message about westerns, it got lost in the shuffle, I didn't see it until just before I answered this one.
     
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  4. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Patti,

    This is sooooooo!!!! beautiful.... It's making me teary eyed. I wish I had a way of printing it. I might take a picture of it on my phone, so I can read it often. Thank you so much for sharing this with all of us.

    Another request, when you finish the poem you're working on now, please share it with us, if you're comfortable doing so.

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
  5. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Lou,

    I just signed up for emails from the Center For Loss. Looking forward to getting my first email. Thank you so much for sharing!!

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  6. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Just saw your last email from 24 hours
    ago! Thanks for asking about PT. Much
    better 2nd time. Didn't cry but told her
    I was depressed the 9/11 weekend. It was
    a trigger, bc It reminded me how Linda
    & I were having a happy vacation, when
    we saw the horrific news out of NYC. I
    snapped that day, was paranoid,& didn't
    want to live in the city. Linda was the
    practical one, & had to support us for a
    while. We certainly lived our marriage
    vows, through good times & bad. My
    friend, K, who could be my daughter's
    age, drives me to supermarket & to a
    specialty market, with many gluten
    free items, incl.,prepared salads, like
    quinoa & black bean, and chickpea. I
    gave up beer, unless it was gluten free.
    Then, hard cider, & finally vodka,
    cranberry juice, soda, & a lime.A year
    after Linda's death, When I was sinking
    into depression, I asked the bartenders
    to skip the vodka. The crab & soda
    became my usual, & I can still enjoy
    the CHEERS type bar. Hope your Tues is
    a good one....... Lou. Correction: cran,
    not "crab"!
     
  7. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    So glad you signed up for Center for Loss,
    Deb. I emailed Karyn Arnold to tell her I
    found that website, & told you & Carole.
    Karyn was pleased bc she think that site
    is a valuable resource. The 9/11 email
    was calming & soothing.The sayings &
    meditations are moving. Hope your Tues
    is a happy one. Lou
     
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  8. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Lou,

    I got today's Daily Reflection, my first one. I read it several times, and thought about it for awhile. It makes so much sense. Every single moment for the rest of our lives, since the moment our loved ones passed away, will be imperfect. Imperfect because they are no longer here. Grief will always be with us, but we need to find a way to find the good things in each imperfect moment. Someone who has been traveling down this miserable path longer than I have, said to me that things get better with time, but there are always tears mixed in with smiles, a strange combination. She has found a way to enjoy the imperfect moments in her life. It gives me so much hope, that in time, as we have more experiences that we can no longer share with our spouses, we will grow around our grief, we will be able to experience more of those imperfect moments with more smiles and less tears.

    Having trouble writing tonight, so not sure if what I said makes much sense. So stopping here (for now.)

    Hope you had more happy moments than sad ones today, that you're enjoying a relaxing evening.

    Sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  9. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Like you, I reread the "imperfect" idea
    of grief. I'm grateful that the woman, who
    was grieving her father's death, suggested
    Center for Loss. I wrote to Carole about
    crying in the lab room of a young PT, on
    Friday. Her eyes were so kind, above her
    mask, that I told her about Linda. Went
    again yesterday ( Mondays & Fridays), &
    as I did the exercises and stationery bike,
    actually joked with her, no tears. I'm very
    careful NOW, about stepping on & off
    curbs, bc I fell in July and Aug. Will try
    not to, in Sept. Not sure if it's the change
    of seasons, cooler nights, but I've been
    sleeping more. But, the fatigue of grief
    sent me to bed this afternoon, for a nap.
    At home, light supper, taking it easy. I like
    getting up early to walk to outdoor
    breakfast place. My friend ( like a daughter) drives me every Wed to the
    supermarket & a small specialty market,
    with gluten free items for my Celiac Disease. Are you still crying in the
    supermarket? I did in the beginning, but
    I have to be focused bc my friend waits in
    the parking lot for me. Lou
     
  10. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Lou,

    PT worked wonders for me. I'm glad you like your PT and will be seeing her twice a week. Please be extra careful!! Health insurance is one thing you don't want to get your money's worth, total understatement!!

    I wake up feeling physically and emotionally tired. I don't remember the last time I really got a good night's sleep. I'm glad you were able to take a nap this afternoon. I hope you felt better afterwards.

    My daughter has Celiac Disease. When she was young, it was hard to find good gluten free pasta and breads. It was difficult for her growing up, especially when she was invited to parties and sleepovers, and was unable to eat all of the foods her friends were eating. I'm so glad that now there are many more gluten free choices in stores and restaurants, but it would be nice if gluten free products weren't so expensive.

    Sort of on the same subject, grocery shopping is still a really big trigger for me. I make sure I have a travel size pack of tissues in my purse at all times. I even tried going once with my friend. I still cried. It's even worse now that the summer is over, and the holiday season is just around the corner. I will celebrate big time the first day that I can finally go into a grocery store without crying. I have to go there tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes...

    It's really late. I was toasted earlier, but couldn't sleep, so got up. I think I'm finally fried enough to fall asleep, hopefully stay asleep!

    Hope you're sound asleep and don't see this until tomorrow morning... (Wait it already is tomorrow morning! I better try to get some zzz's...)

    Sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  11. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Good morning, Deb. I've turned into my
    grandfather. He & my grandmother went to bed at 9pm & woke up every morning
    at 5am. I'm not quite like that, but I want to enjoy our summer days while they
    last, so I've been asleep by 10pm & up
    around 5:30am. Just woke up & was
    pleased to see your email. I do a lot of
    walking and take certain medications
    which make me sleepy, so I'm more
    fortunate than you. But, I recall a time,
    after Linda's death, that I couldn't sleep
    at all, & was given Melatonin,which
    would relax me enough to finally sleep
    4 hours. Eventually, with walking and
    weekly therapy, as well as meeting
    friends, I started sleeping better. Sorry
    your daughter had Celiac at such a young
    age. My friend K's high school daughter
    has it, as well as her father. They are a
    kind & generous family who've known me
    since Linda died. They "adopted" me in a
    way, & invited me to Thanksgiving last
    year, but I had already bought food for
    myself & wanted to be alone. This year,
    however, I'd like to go, God willing. What
    are your winters like? The last few have
    been cold, about 30 degrees, or a few days
    at 20 degrees, but we've been lucky not to
    have snowstorms, which I don't like, bc I
    can't walk outside. I laugh when you say
    you're "toasted". Up here, we use that
    word, and "wasted", for when someone is
    drunk! Lou
     
  12. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Good Morning Lou,

    I only have time for a really short reply, but have to thank you for making me smile. I use the word "toasted" for so many things. I'm originally from New England, and like you, also refer to people who are drunk as "toasted."

    Got to go...

    As always, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  13. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Deb, glad I made you smile. Try to think
    of that when you're in the supermarket.If
    you have your phone with you, you can
    even text me from there. Just received a
    surprise email from "ksteffie" from
    Naples, Florida. She's only 52, & her
    husband died in Nov, 2019. I had written
    to her in July, but never got a reply. Maybe
    you can reach out to her. I will answer her
    now. Lou
     
  14. cjpines

    cjpines Well-Known Member

    Okay, Deb and Lou. I've read both of your posts here and not to be flip I got my morning laugh, your choice of words how you feel Deb, fried, toasted and Lou up there, "wasted" for someone who is drunk which was me when I broke my arm.
     
  15. cjpines

    cjpines Well-Known Member

    Okay, Deb and Lou. I've read both of your posts here and not to be flip I got my morning laugh, your choice of words how you feel Deb, fried, toasted and Lou up there, "wasted" for someone who is drunk which was me when I broke my arm. Blessings, Karen
     
  16. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Lou,

    It is so kind of you to be here for me. It made me smile when you said I could text you while shopping. It's turning into a miserable day, torrential downpours that seem to come out of nowhere, then stop as quickly as they start. There is a brief period of sun, then showers, then another one of those torrential downpours, etc., etc., etc. Luckily, I made it out the door this morning for a medical appointment (nothing serious), but almost as soon as I returned, the rain began. I have my list, and am going to try to make it to the store while there is a break in the heavy downpours.

    I'm going to try to make this trip as quick as possible, so won't text you this time. But..., you never know, someday when you least expect it, you might get a message from me as I'm walking through the doors into the market. I'm really hoping I can get everything I need without crying to the point I need to leave the store. I have my tissues ready, just in case... I'll let you know how it goes later... A TBC (to be continued).

    Before I go, I hope you were able to "talk" to ksteffie. I've never "met" her, but if she wants/needs support, just a safe place to vent, I hope she drops by. I would like to "meet" her.

    Got to go!

    Sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  17. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Hi Karen,

    It's good to "see" you! I'm glad we made you laugh!! Laughter is such an underrated thing... As I just told Lou, I've got to go to the grocery store, trying to beat another heavy downpour. Got to go.

    I hope your arm is feeling much better!!

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
  18. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Deb, be careful in those downpours. That's
    how I fell & cut my knee. I was stupidly
    dodging a puddle, so my sneakers would
    not get wet, & tripped over a curb. I
    chuckled when you said you might text
    me, when "I least expect it". It reminded
    me of Allen Funt telling us that, in the
    intro. to the original Candid Camera. I
    did email "ksteffie" & told her I was
    pleasantly surprised to hear from her
    after a couple months. If she replies, I
    will ask her to join Carole, you, & me,
    with our long emails! I will also tell her
    about Center for Loss, which sent a
    poignant message today. Lou
     
  19. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Lou,

    You did it again!! I actually laughed when you mentioned Candid Camera. Now I'm hearing Allen Funt's voice in my head telling us to "Smile, you're on Candid Camera!" I used to love that show!, watched it all the time. I haven't thought about it in years, until now, when you brought it up. When I was growing up, my parents used to watch the Honeymooners and I Love Lucy all the time. I used to watch right along with them. I haven't thought about these shows in a really long time, but as soon as you mentioned Candid Camera, it brought back memories... The world has changed so much, total understatement!!

    Change of subject... A miracle.... the rain stopped, hazy sunshine, super humid. Not one drop fell from the sky the entire time I was gone. Since I've been home, it looks like it's going to pour again, but so far nothing. I like to think that Bob is watching over me, might have had something to do with this. Even if it isn't true, it sort of makes me feel a bit better. I miss him so much!!! He's on my mind 24/7...

    Still sort of on the same subject, the grocery store wasn't as busy as it's been, no summer tourists in sight, so I was able to get in and out quickly. I didn't forget to buy anything on my list, (almost) a first since Bob passed away. (I'm so glad I heard about this widow foggy brain thing, or else, I would have thought I was beginning to lose my mind. I find myself misplacing my keys, my glasses, my phone, etc., etc., etc., way too frequently. Prior to Bob's death, this rarely happened. I think it's a combination of stress and not enough sleep.)

    I do have another first to share, finally a bit of good news. I made it past the Halloween displays without crying. I made it through most of my shopping trip without tears. There was only one instance, but it was short lived, didn't need more than one tissue, when I decided to buy a carton of organic tomato soup. (I rarely buy this brand, but it was on sale for a very good price.) Random thoughts flooded my mind... I remember weekend mornings, waking up after it had been snowing all night, Bob would start a fire, we would have our coffee sitting in front of the fire place. I felt so safe, so warm, so happy... sitting close to Bob, enjoying our morning coffee, watching the snow fall... the kids playing... When the snow finally stopped, Bob would go into the garage, get the snow blower, and clear off the driveway. Our house was at the top of a hill, the driveway was really long and full of twists and turns. He was always soaked when he was finished. (So was our dog, but that's another story.) And, he would always ask me to make him a grilled cheese sandwich, and heat up a bowl of tomato soup for lunch. For one split second, I was going to put the carton of soup back on the shelf, but I reminded myself that I can't stop living my life, eating foods I enjoy, just because Bob is no longer here with me. This would only make him sad. When I finally decide to heat up a bowl of tomato soup, I'm guessing there will be tears, but I'm hoping that they wont' be just sad tears, but will be mixed with some happy ones too. (If I remember,) this is another one of those TBC's...

    I meant for this to be a short update, but as I keep telling you, I can write almost as much as I can talk.

    Backing way up, I'm glad you're now careful when it's wet and slippery outside. No more accidents! Thank you for reminding me to be careful too.

    Hope you enjoyed your day and have a relaxing evening.

    Sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  20. cjpines

    cjpines Well-Known Member

    To add tot this of old timers, Lawrence Welk. My dad loved the pretty women, had his favorites. Never missed a show.
     
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